Listen and subscribe to “The Argument” from your mobile device:

Apple Podcasts | Spotify | Google Play | RadioPublic | Stitcher | RSS Feed

It’s a Democratic convention unlike any other. So who is it for? What does the party, and its presidential candidate, Joe Biden, need to accomplish? And how should they approach President Trump’s threats to a free and fair election? This week on the podcast, Frank Bruni and Michelle Goldberg are joined by Opinion columnist Jamelle Bouie and editorial board member Michelle Cottle for a round-table discussion of the virtual “nerd Coachella” that is the Democratic National Convention of 2020.

Then, Michelle Cottle offers a homespun jukebox game that can take the whole family’s mind off politics and the pandemic.

ImageA screen in the Wisconsin Center broadcasts Joe and Jill Biden cheering after the announcement of former Vice President Joe Biden as the Democratic presidential nomination on the second day of the Democratic National Convention.
Credit…Gabriela Bhaskar for The New York Times

Background Reading:


How to listen to “The Argument”:

Press play or read the transcript (found by midday Thursday above the center teal eye) at the top of this page, or tune in on iTunes, Google Play, Spotify, Stitcher or your preferred podcast listening app. Tell us what you think at [email protected]


Meet the Hosts

Frank Bruni

Image

I’ve been an Op-Ed columnist for The Times since 2011, but my career with the newspaper stretches back to 1995 and includes many twists and turns that reflect my embarrassingly scattered interests. I covered Congress, the White House and several political campaigns; I also spent five years in the role of chief restaurant critic. As the Rome bureau chief, I reported on the Vatican; as a staff writer for The Times’s Sunday magazine, I wrote many celebrity profiles. That jumble has informed my various books, which focus on the Roman Catholic Church, George W. Bush, my strange eating life, the college admissions process and meatloaf. Politically, I’m grief-stricken over the way President Trump has governed and I’m left of center, but I don’t think that the center is a bad place or “compromise” a dirty word. I’m Italian-American, I’m gay and I write a weekly Times newsletter in which you’ll occasionally encounter my dog, Regan, who has the run of our Manhattan apartment. @FrankBruni

Michelle Goldberg

Image

I’ve been an Op-Ed columnist at The New York Times since 2017, writing mainly about politics, ideology and gender. These days people on the right and the left both use “liberal” as an epithet, but that’s basically what I am, though the nightmare of Donald Trump’s presidency has radicalized me and pushed me leftward. I’ve written three books, including one, in 2006, about the danger of right-wing populism in its religious fundamentalist guise. (My other two were about the global battle over reproductive rights and, in a brief detour from politics, about an adventurous Russian émigré who helped bring yoga to the West.) I love to travel; a long time ago, after my husband and I eloped, we spent a year backpacking through Asia. Now we live in Brooklyn with our son and daughter. @michelleinbklyn


“The Argument” is a production of The New York Times Opinion section. The team includes Phoebe Lett, Paula Szuchman, Pedro Rafael Rosado, Kathy Tu, Vishakha Darbha, Isaac Jones and Kristin Lin. Theme by Allison Leyton-Brown.