2478 – MAGA’s End-Times Fascism; RFK Jr’s War On Public Health w/ Naomi Klein, MarkAlain Déry

It’s a busy Thursday here at MR HQ, and Emma dives right into the significance Judge James Boasberg’s finding cause to hold the Trump administration in criminal contempt for not adhering to his previous order on deportations. Meanwhile, Senator Chris Van Hollen is in El Salvador where he’s been prevented from visiting his Kilmar Abrego Garcia.

Then, Emma is joined by writer, activist and professor Naomi Klein about her new essay The rise of end times fascism. Naomi points out the new form that right wing authoritarianism has taken in finding ways to exit society and Earth itself.

Naomi co-wrote the essay with Astra Taylor, which you can read here in The Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2025/apr/13/end-times-fascism-far-right-trump-musk

After that, infectious disease doctor MarkAlain Déry joins Emma in the studio to discuss the challenges facing public health under the Trump regime, especially from Health and Human Services Secretary RFK Jr. who continues to spread misinformation about any number of things, including about autism and vaccines. MarkAlain expresses his concern that essential programs that receive federal funding could now be in jeopardy, especially those that cater to marginalized communities, especially undocumented people.

In the Fun Half, Matt Binder and Brandon Sutton are here to break down the video of Republican senator Chuck Grassley getting yelled at by his constituents at a town hall over the deportation of Kilmar Abrego Garcia. The group talks about how entrenched some of the support for Trump is among his base, even when his policies cost them their jobs. They also discuss how the attention on the Abrego Garcia is a moment when Democrats need to keep their foot on the gas and show voters that they are willing and able to fight for justice.

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